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    The Arian Creature-Christ Teaching - How Do Seventh-day Adventists define it?

    No, as I said earlier Jesus is God Almighty, He was / is the fullness of the Godhead in human flesh. God can do anything except not be God. I've said this so many times at this point if you don't understand it - clean your bong. Not in the Arian sense you are saying. The Trinity is / was...
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    Angel Michael

    Trinitarians find the Spirit of Prophecy incompatible with the Doctrine of the Trinity is exactly what that says.
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    The Arian Creature-Christ Teaching - How Do Seventh-day Adventists define it?

    It didn't remove His will. Jesus, from His own words, ALWAYS did the will of The Father & always did those things that pleased The Father. John 6, 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of him who sent me John 8, 29 And he who sent me is with me; he has not...
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    Faithful to God or to the church?

    The Paradigm of the Bible sure isn't to stomp off and by golly create your own new church of the covenant. Christ said the gates of hell would never prevail against the Church and Scripture also says the Church is the pillar and foundation of the truth. Read Acts Chapter 15, there are some in...
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    Angel Michael

    SDA's, at least SDA's who opt to follow Ellen White's teaching don't have a Trinity either. People who were consuming Ellen White's prophetic utterances while she was alive and passing gas were absolutely clear about her disdain for the Trinity. Understand, the above is on the heels of perhaps...
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    The Arian Creature-Christ Teaching - How Do Seventh-day Adventists define it?

    Rob, In biblical literature, God often issues a command - not because He expects the action to be completed, but to elicit a specific response or to illustrate a point. The Parallel of Abraham: God commanded Abraham to sacrifice Isaac (Genesis 22). God didn't "learn" that Abraham was faithful...
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    The Arian Creature-Christ Teaching - How Do Seventh-day Adventists define it?

    That's the point I've been making all along here. Clifford Goldstein is NOT A TRINITARIAN... ..So of course he would believe that Christ could have sinned, fallen to never exist again. ...& also HAD THAT HAPPENED - all the Old Testament Prophets would be FALSE. ...& God the Father would have...
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    Faithful to God or to the church?

    The Church is the body of Christ. If you are faithful to "The Church" by default you are being faithful to Christ.
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    Angel Michael

    That's what Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses say - they don't believe in the Trinity either.
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    The Arian Creature-Christ Teaching - How Do Seventh-day Adventists define it?

    Over the last week or so I was thinking about the stunning theology of Seventh-day Adventism... ....Which was birthed by the incantations of the SDA Pioneers & confirmed by Ellen White. ....The stunning revelation I came to is this: Had Ellen White's Lucifierian hypothetical of Christ sinning...
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    Angel Michael

    I'm sorry Rob but you are so far off the map it would be pointless to continue this conversation with you. I wish the best for you.
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    Angel Michael

    You say it was impossible for Jesus to break faith off with "this" Father and thus sin.... ...Immediately after that you say "IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN POSSIBLE". ...Because "the Son of Deity, like humans & angels, had / has free will". All stop Rob, my question isn't about your anti-Trinitarianism...
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    Angel Michael

    No, I only want you to admit that Scripture SHOUTS that it was impossible for Christ to sin, loose His Salvation and eternally cease to exist. I'm saying that when Ellen said that Ellen was wrong. Rob, when you prophet started out her Christian journey as a Baptized Trinitarian then converts to...
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    Angel Michael

    I did read it, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of how the SDA Church works... ...Ellen White didn't create or invent any SDA distinctive doctrines. ....She affirmed or validated the doctrines the Pioneers fabricated. Because the SDA Church Pioneers were "ARIAN" they promulgated Arian...
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    Angel Michael

    Where did you answer? I shown you where the Bible repeatedly said failure was IMPOSSIBLE... ...I've shown you repeatedly where Ellen White said failure WAS possible. ...I asked you where you find justification Ellen was right and God was wrong. Trinity aside Rob, for the sake of argument I'm...
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    Angel Michael

    Rob, you didn't answer the question, the same one you've been dodging. Why do you reject what God calls impossible in favor of what a woman who lived in the 19th century said was possible? "Immanent Trinity" or "Trinitas ad intra" means the same thing. Don't worry about terms which...
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    Angel Michael

    The word ontological comes from the Greek word "ontos" which mean "being" - the word refers to what God is, in God's internal Nature. In Christianity the Son is "consubstantial" with the Father, true God from true God. The Son isn't a percentage of God such as Ellen White gloated where the Son...
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    Angel Michael

    She most certainly did say that. Ellen claimed that Christ, had he sinned, would have rotted in the tomb to NEVER wake up again. Ellen taught that the Divine and Human Natures of Christ were MIXED / Blended so that they (the two natures of Christ) became one. Mixing / blending the two natures...
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    Angel Michael

    For you and I and the readers of this thread YES, you are independent of me and everyone else. The Son is not independent of the Father or the Holy Spirit, or any other combination. The Father, Son & Holy Spirit are Ontologically One God - not three independent Beings as Ellen White taught. You...
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    Angel Michael

    I'm talking to you. I'd be happy to do that Rob but we have to have a starting point and if we can't agree on the most basic of God's attributes it's pointless to leap over the basics and start exchanging beliefs apart from a common starting point. This is why I'm insisting we start on a...
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